Posted by jonvon on June 14, 2001 at 23:37:14:
In Reply to: Re: a new dream posted by give on June 13, 2001 at 23:13:03:
: John, To me your dream has some great consistency to it. Like the relationship between the fliers and the earth energy. That dead spot and the clay city and the tubes are like evidence of anti-nature, and those raccoons and owls (this is not the first OWL dream you have had) are elements from nature that are forced into a tight, anti-natural situation and moving in linear instead of organic ways.
Interesting that you remember that about the owls. Yeah, there are actually two other dreams on that journal page with owls in them, in fact the very first one recorded there from 1996 had an owl in it.
http://vaughanj.home.mindspring.com/journal.html#feb11-96
and the other one from dec 1999:
http://vaughanj.home.mindspring.com/journal.html#stifflyRelaxed
...it's good to keep a journal of this stuff, amazing the things you can kind of map out in your brain over time.
:I find this alot like humanity, although I won't limit your dream by saying that the owls and raccoons represent only one thing. But I see US in them.
The owls were like these wise old men who were caught in this horrible machine. The racoons were like crazy monkeys, and the owls were borne along in their madness. The owls were quite tragic and a little funny, they were very little and had such big surprised eyes. They were very sad.
:Thanks for talking about the dream. Steve churning the darkness with the stick reminds me of the need to reenchant our modern anti-nature spiritual landscape, but I won't be one of those dream interpretation guys and say that it must mean that alone.
I've been thinking about what that stirring the heavens around could mean. Using the word heavens feels very appropriate and already brings some fairly obvious connotations to mind. Like the power of prayer and intercession, one man's fervent prayer and all of that good stuff. One life can stir the whole universe if it is focused on the Immovable Point. This might seems like I'm laying some stuff on the fabric of the dream that wasn't there, but I think it is pretty close to the meaning laying just underneath. Not to digress too much, but I think that all dreams are made of a kind of fabric, dreamstuff or whatever, that is very maleable. Its form is directed somehow by our consciousness/unconsciousness, or at times by some external force. It is always just a few molecules thick like Pixie Dust, and underneath it lies all the surging meaning of our lives.
There is another meaning reflected off of that layer (if you will) to the swirling night sky as well. I like to refer to Steve as the Zen Pastor sometimes. A lot of times when we were in a bible study I wanted to run to my bookshelf and pull off a copy of the Tao Te Ching or some book on Zen and lay out the concepts beside the things that Steve was saying. And what is it they say about zen, that once you start talking about it, you aren't talking about zen anymore? Somehow the stuff Steve says a lot of times, you don't hear too many other pastors saying. Its like there is some part of Steve that has been living in the East, maybe all his life, or maybe it came to life after he got a glimpse of Glory; it's an insight into a dimension where words completely fail, unless you are weaving the sort of poetry where the meaning comes shining through the words despite the limitations of language. Anyway, somehow the image of Steve swirling that stick through the night sky, head as big as the moon, and just smiling and smiling and not saying anything at all, well perhaps you understand what I am trying to say. It is both about being a vessel through which the Power of Heaven can work through, and about understanding a thing which can't quite be spoken about, at least not directly.
:It could have multiple layers of meaning--as does any good dream or song or work of art. It's good to see you writing again. John, I would love to take all your dreams one day and see them side by side, observe any common elements and note any emerging common patterns. later, Bill
: lately i've had successive dreams about moving into different houses with different friends. it seems that i'm always in transistion. i have had some moving dreams lately but i've been promptly forgetting them. a few which i really enjoyed are of such a personal nature that i will not share them on the message board, but let's just say that they were VERY GOOD.
This last paragraph made me chuckle to myself a bit, because *I* have had dreams about you moving. At least two of them, although its been a while since I remember having one. This link points to a dream which contained an earlier dream, both of them about you MOVING. :-)
http://vaughanj.home.mindspring.com/journal.html#boarding