Posted by John on December 24, 2001 at 10:17:24:
In Reply to: my dream talk w wayne posted by giveawayboy on December 23, 2001 at 15:49:44:
I've said this before, but Bill, it appears to me that you see like a Shaman. You see reality in a very metaphorical way. This is the majik that we've talked about. This is where all of the legends come from and this is where the world takes on the feel that we love about fantasy. I'm bnot saying that I think fantasy is tapping into some other reality, only that the the reason it rings so true in many of us is far more than escapism. I think it is the only widely acceptable medium left by which this other way of interpreting the world can come out. Bill, you appear to lie in this kind of world all the time. Or rather they are intermingled in a way that can't be easily separated. I admit to being wrapped in it much of the time myself, although in a different way. That is why I have such wierd ideas and views on things.
I think it should be developed, cultivated. Seek out both visions and force them to mingle. You can already mingle your waking vision into your dreams, but can you go the other way? I have tried this, and honestly this is a big focus of my mental energy from time to time. Sure it can be scary, and who knows where it leads? But I think it bears exploration, as long as it is done in a context of goodness and grounding of communication with others so that one doesn't end up a babbling schizomaniac with no ability to function.
I often think like, what is it that entrances me so about a certain thing? Why is it that I dream always the same way and in my mental image of myself I appear a certain way. To my mind this is whpo I most desire to be. As I grow and learn myself more this image changes but the root is the same, even under very different environments the root is the same. So then I think is it possible to align my physical self with that image of myself in the dream reality? I think so! Many primal cultures do this. They ARE the warrior, the shaman, the hunter, the healer, the lover. Their paradigm for viewing this world allows them to express those things in physical reality. So I'm trying to do that in so much as I can. It makes me feel alive and whole. Maybe you will want to do the same. Maybe you will want to be able to communicate these parallels in your dream without the implicit need to qualify in which reality they happened. Maybe you will want to learn how to effect the power tht you communicate in dreams in the real world. Now will you be able to fly? I doubt it. But what is at the essence of the flying? How did that affect reality around you? Perhaps that could be done. What do you think?
What makes me sad and irritated is that so many people live to escape into games or movies or books or whatever, but this is all pretend. It's like we never really grew up, we just figured out better ways to make beleive. I mean I like movies and books too, but it is because they inspire my mind into the possibities that could be real! So whatever it is that you love, that you are passionate about, become that! Do what it takes to get there! Refuse to live in the mundane virtual reality that the Order has placed on us (to allude to one of Bill's older dreams). This bland world of jobs and houses and retirement and careers is not all there is.
for example, Thistle just posted that she wants to move to Rivendell. Well GO! Of course I know it isn't a real place, but what was it that fascinated you about it? The architecture? The ancientness of it? The natural beauty? Places like that exist! And if they don't, build them, they obviously built the set, so it can be done! Was it the Elves? I love elves as well. But it isn't because they are elves, it is because they are mysterious and pure and good. They live sacred lives and they posess great skill at things. All of these things are acheivable! And it doesn't have to be about money or limitations. Work with what you have.
Anyway, I know I sort of went off, but I'm really just preaching to myself. I want so desperately to see the people I love happy and fulfilled in the greatest way possible. I want all of you to have the desires of your heart, just as I want to achieve mine. Further i beleive with all my heart that God desires this for us as well. That means that he can and will make it possible for us if we choose to follow that in faith. And because I beleive that I think that we can help each other achieve these things too. But no one can change another's heart. Imagine how great it would be if we could all make use of our talents to help other become what we wanted to be. to help each other live in the world that we desire to live in. I have a sneeking suspiscion that these seemingly different worlds and desires all play together in the plan that God has laid out for us. Dreaming fills me with hope, Bills dreams merging into reality fill me with hope. Cari's desire to play with fairies and elves fills me with hope. Dream as big as you want everyone, they can and do come true, and we can help each other do that!
Wow, I surprise myself at how fitting these thoughts are on the commemoration of the single most powerful event in human history. The day that such a powerful being broke every rule of nature and physics and justice to restore his lost race. It's epic, it's staggering, it's fantastic, and it happened. The dreams of centuries of people both past and present came true in that event.
One child to rule them all
One child to find them
One child to bring them all
And in the light to bind them.
Merry Christmas everyone.
: again from that point in the air and just keep ascending. Also, I
: used to dream that I could just sort of thrust my body around and it
: would have to fly by the force of the thrusting. But, in reality that
: just doesn't work. That's because in the mind there are less physical
: limitations. Anyway, I find that my dream reality
: and my waking reality (they are both reality) frequently merge,
: overlap or permeate each other. I do make myself open to that--but
: only as God wills it. I do not however, seek it out for my own ends.
: My experience with this type of dreaming is always something of a strange delight.
: I won't go into everything now, but I have had dreams tell me of
: things that are happening in waking reality AS THEY ARE HAPPENING.
: Also, I have dreams where I am simultaneously dreaming and aware of
: my bedroom, the surroundings, objects, the orientation of objects,
: etc. Once in a city bus, in dreamland, we pulled up at a red light, I
: turned and looked out the window and there in a tree, was my alarm
: clock. The tree bark was actually growing AROUND my alarm clock. It
: read 7:25 am, and in 'waking reality' was due to ring at 7:30 am. A
: boy on the bus asked me to get off at his stop and walk to his home w
: him as his friends were throwing a party. I kindly explained to him
: that I would only be in the dream reality for about five more 'waking
: minutes'. I promised him that I would walk home with him as far as I
: could, but I also qualified it by saying that I wasn't sure what
: would happen to me in five 'waking minutes'......So, by the time we
: got to his home, where people on the balcony were dancing and
: inviting us up, I came to a blue door, on a building nearby on it was
: mounted a silver metallic star which had my name on it. I knew I
: needed to go through it, the way you just know certain things in
: dreams. It's almost like there is some unwritten law--if Bill doesn't
: go through the blue door, the sun won't rise. this could give rise to
: so many problems and start an ugly chain reaction, so I went through
: the door, and what I discovered was that I awoke in 'waking reality'
: just as the alarm clock was preparing to ring. I was able to hit it
: before it actually rang, but I heard the tension of it's springs and
: mechanisms and knew it was just getting ready. I think the main thing
: for me in dreams is that I KNOW I AM IN A DREAM, but I abide by two
: things, the GOLDEN RULE (which is the highest law for both waking and
: dreaming reality), and the laws of the particular dream. For
: instance, in one dream walking upstairs might be the best thing you could ever do, but
: in another, it may be the direct cause of turning the world inside
: out. I would urge anyone who ever visits one of my dreams to stay as
: far away as possible from any mechanical honeybees and also white
: rats (at least until you know where the rat came from). One more
: thing, I dreamt once that I was w some people in white robes who were
: gathering oak and mistletoe for some kind of ritual. The next morning
: I awoke to discover that in the night several oak branches had fallen
: on top of my car, and they were all hosts to mistletoe. There was
: tons of oak and mistletoe all over my car. None of my roommates' cars
: had any on them. I'm not saying any of this means anything more than
: this. The world is created in an orderly way by God. Even at it's
: most organic and natural, the chaotic way we perceive it to be, is
: flooded with order, and informed by a higher reality. Our job is not
: to try to control it, but it is to walk through it in
: wonder and in participation, giving glory to it's creator.
: God bless, Bill