Posted by giveawayboy on June 01, 2002 at 10:50:00:
In Reply to: Re: the lack of accuntablity in the church..i find it appaling posted by Mister Metal on June 01, 2002 at 09:55:56:
: : Your desire to be accountable is good. Unfortunately, a lot of people aren't truly receptive to being held accountable. In some cases, the big "pride monster" rears his ugly head and the brother/sister who tries to hold one accountable is considered "legalistic" or "judgmental." Consequently, many people reticent to hold others accountable. If you are really eager to be held accountable, you need to make yourself accountable to someone that you respect. Let that person, or those people, know that you desire to be held accountable. The best way to be discipled is to be a disciple. How's that for circular logic?
: um well yes and no..i have reached out to people and have let a few men i know of my desire to be accountable..these are men i respect and feel have a good relationship with God..i juss know that at times these men have thier own things they gotta worry about and that they may be already discipling others..so i dont try to insist..i make the request known..thats all i can do..and i try my best to look out for people..i juss feel really discouraged..because this is not how it should be..i know people such as myself who are discouraged...this should not be in the church..there should be more of a sense of community..yet there is not...there should be a concern over the one person that stops goin to your church and not really a concern that much for those who are already plugged in...how about worrying about those who you know are in need...or stop goin to church..well i juss notice a lotta stuff and it tends to bother me...because this is why many dont want to go to church...and really can you blame them???
well, i think you can keep doing what your doing now. just be as real as you can when you connect w people, wherever that is. i know that you are trying your best to be the best friend that you can be to me and a few others. i think this is more important than what everyone else does or doesn't do. alot of spiritual value comes in what we believe and will to do, even when it seems like we are the only ones doing it, or if it seems like everyone else just forgot or isn't interested. can you imagine being nailed to the cross, despised and rejected. churchy politics and people who can't be accountable will always be there, but you are already showing maturity when you keep doing the right thing, even when no one else does. what i mean is this, you get involved w me, you CALL me, something that means alot. and you even care enough to listen, even when i'm most likely pretty confused or even possibly deceived. and you don't preach to me, yet you have even disagreed with me, but in a gentle, mature way. to me you are providing the accountability which you see lacking elsewhere. this is fundamentally important. that reality is working itself out through all of us, in a broken yet christlike pattern. remember this, he was bruised and broken when doing his greatest work. you need to realize that his church, his BODY, will take on that same bruisedness and brokenness. although he was also glorified and we also, appear, in some way, glorified with him. but we need to get used to cross as well. and i think you for one are real enough to understand all that stuff. i mean, you're raw enough to not think that the christian life is a skip through the daisies. it might be more like daisies growing in a mosh pit. or something like this. maybe that's a stupid analogy.