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Posted by giveawayboy on June 11, 2002 at 18:16:50:
In Reply to: Re: laboring for full manifestation: repost: correct version posted by john on June 11, 2002 at 15:05:27:
: I get it Bill. I know how you see things. Honestly, I intend my responses more for the people who don't respond, or who pipe in once but won't continue the conversation. While you and I are as usual saying the same thing from different angles, i am more concerned with those who ARE content with the flickers. Those who say things like, "oh that bird is so pretty, let's go to the new mall that destoryed 100 acres of it's habitat." I'm not directing this at anyone personally, but it goes beyond idle sentiment. You want to change the city by embracing it. I want to come to the same result by rejecting it... or rather the premis on which it is founded. I know we can't all move out, but we need to have the attitude that we are not satisfied with things as they are. We need to voice this in some way, either by investing in social programs, or refusing to invest in detrimental programs. But to say we like healthy nature (not the pretty park sense, but the real wild chi-giving sense) and then go on with our lifestyle that funds the distruction is hypocritical, and frankly, the bottom-line capitalists aren't concerned with our opinions. We have to put our money, and time where our mouths are. If you spend time promoting healthy conceptions of cities in art and in social work, that becomes part of the collective conscious. If I refuse to buy unneccessary material goods. If I spread my skills and tell people they don't need the consumer culture, that too becomes a part of the conscious and both affect how people spend money and that affects what goes on TV and into Stores, and what gets built.
This is cool! Once again you remind me of this character in a dream or story ( I forget now) of mine. There were three guys in this story. One was an artist and his job was to paint a painting. In the painting he was going to paint the world as he saw it. Another character, his friend, was there to support him. He sat his easel up on a hillside and many people in tuxedos and dresses came and sat while he painted. His friend, was a rugged, earthy fellow, but very nicely dressed and lending him emotional support. Apparently there was some philosophical intimacy between them. Also, it all had something to do w God. Then at the climax of his painting, just as he was finally realizing the essence of what it was all about and when all the elements in the painting seemed to be coming together, over the hillside came his other friend, a dark, otherworldly lad, sort of a punk, a ruffian, yet w a similar spirit as the others, yet on a whole different plane of reality. He might has well have taken up a whip and driven out the money changers in the temple, but actually, his instrument of choice was a flamethrower. he came onto the green where everyone was seated and proceeded to systematically burn down the painting. he did a thorough job. what was funny, was that when he was done there was nothing left but a charred square of pine. however, in the destruction of the beautiful image there was some sort of validation or sealing of the image, or actually the reality behind the image. and all of a sudden the whole countryside was blossoming into some sort of jungle-like situation, what w all these beasties running about. actually, his painting had been some sort of jungle-O-beasties. hmmmmmmm........so the flamethrower guy was part of the fabric of the philosophical twins. something like that. it's all ONE thing.
later dear, Bill
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: : : I guess what I'm saying is that at some point we need to be content with the lack, but not give up our desire for the full manifestation. I don't mean by content that we are content and do not wish to change it. It's only that we should be content to stay on and labor to bring something to full manifestation or greater manifestation, than abandon it and labor somewhere else apart from the place where the seeds are already planted and trying to grow. Also, look at Gaudi, look at Hundertwasser. Here are two architects that worked within cities who reenchanted cities. Hey John--I'm trying to work w ya here. Hope you get my drift. Read in [positive tone/energy]here. Thanks. Maybe I'm just too into the INDIGO GIRLS lately.
: : : O.K. See ya, Bill