Re: God Bless America

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Posted by Pastor Steven on September 11, 2001 at 23:23:51:

In Reply to: Re: God Bless America posted by John on September 11, 2001 at 20:52:33:

Everyone has an opinion. Yours may be well thought out and valid, but many (including me) don't share it. We are not martyrs. We are NOT being attacked because the Muslims are offended that we believe Christ is the Messiah. We are not being persecuted for our Christian beliefs in any way. We are being targeted for everything from our capitalist wealth and western ideals to our support of Israel with American weapons and finances (and our government's decisions in this area are NOT for any "Christian" reason, but purely political). Furthermore, Israel is not being attacked because they believe Isaac is the chosen son of Abraham rather than Ishmael. It's all about LAND. To spiritualize this into Christian martyrdom is about what I would expect from some fundamentalist church leaders (although they may respond by calling for air strikes rather than for tolerance).

This is a criminal act, not an act of war by any nation. Truly no single nation can be held responsible, as the terrorist factions even in Muslim nations are a minority. (On the other hand, if some nation's government should knowingly and willingly harbor those who are guilty of these horendous crimes, then they have decidedly allied themselves with the terrorists and their terrorist acts, and as such, could be construed as conspirators.)

Criminal justice does not stop within the borders of the United States. Criminals (especially mass-murderers) can and should be pursued world-wide with all the help that is available from our allies. This criminal justice system is ordained of God and there is nowhere that it is condemned in our Scriptures. To blur this issue by misapplying the ideal of non-retailiation is just poor thinking. It is like saying we should not punish the murderers and rapers of our daughters with jail time because Christ tells us to forgive. If that is your theological view, you are entitled to it. It is certainly not mine, nor was it Paul's or Peter's.

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Re: God Bless America john 06:36:14 09/12/01 (8)
- Context (LONG!) PS again (oh, no!) 00:01:33 09/13/01 (7)
  - Re: Context (LONG!) john 07:03:44 09/13/01 (6)
    - I love the evil freedom Pastor Steven 21:02:31 09/13/01 (5)
      - Re: I love the evil freedom John 23:44:03 09/13/01 (4)
        
        Enough... Pastor Steven 10:14:32 09/14/01 (3)
        
        Re: Enough... john 10:49:07 09/14/01 (2)
        
        Re: Enough... jeff 23:59:22 09/15/01 (0)
        
        Re: Enough... G 20:56:32 09/14/01 (0)

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: Everyone has an opinion. Yours may be well thought out and valid, but many (including me) don't share it. We are not martyrs. We are NOT being attacked because the Muslims are offended that we believe Christ is the Messiah. We are not being persecuted for our Christian beliefs in any way. We are being targeted for everything from our capitalist wealth and western ideals to our support of Israel with American weapons and finances (and our government's decisions in this area are NOT for any "Christian" reason, but purely political). Furthermore, Israel is not being attacked because they believe Isaac is the chosen son of Abraham rather than Ishmael. It's all about LAND. To spiritualize this into Christian martyrdom is about what I would expect from some fundamentalist church leaders (although they may respond by calling for air strikes rather than for tolerance). : This is a criminal act, not an act of war by any nation. Truly no single nation can be held responsible, as the terrorist factions even in Muslim nations are a minority. (On the other hand, if some nation's government should knowingly and willingly harbor those who are guilty of these horendous crimes, then they have decidedly allied themselves with the terrorists and their terrorist acts, and as such, could be construed as conspirators.) : Criminal justice does not stop within the borders of the United States. Criminals (especially mass-murderers) can and should be pursued world-wide with all the help that is available from our allies. This criminal justice system is ordained of God and there is nowhere that it is condemned in our Scriptures. To blur this issue by misapplying the ideal of non-retailiation is just poor thinking. It is like saying we should not punish the murderers and rapers of our daughters with jail time because Christ tells us to forgive. If that is your theological view, you are entitled to it. It is certainly not mine, nor was it Paul's or Peter's.

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