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Posted by john on April 08, 2002 at 06:39:32:

In Reply to: Re: answermethis posted by givewawayboy on April 06, 2002 at 18:27:15:

: : give an example of APOSTASY

: apostasy means 'giving up your stance'.....

: I don't know one. But I believe it is possible for it to happen. It would reference someone who knew the Christian revelation and then wholly backing away from it. The reason I cannot say that I know of an example is because I don't know people's hearts. I can only imagine that certain people might have apostasized, but I don't know for sure.

I don't believe this can happen. I think someone can intellectually assent to the Christian paradigm and then back away, this happens all the time, but true Christianity exists in a relationship between two living people. It is like being born, or dying, or losing one's virginity, once you make the step you can't undo it. So those who claim to have once been Christians, in my mind, never really were in the first place.

: : give an example of HERESY

: a heresy is a departure from some part of Christian revelation without rejection of the whole. An example of this could be the Nestorian heresy which tried to separate from the Christian revelation the notion that Mary was the Mother of God. Although it was an attempt to protect the uniqueness of Christ, which Nestorians thought could be threatened by his mother, it actually distorted revealed truth since such a belief either dishonors motherhood or misunderstands who Christ was. In Nestorianism either Christ wasn't God, or Mary was not a true mother. Either is at best disrespectful, if not down right diabolical.

I agree with you here Bill, but have to make one note. Heresy ideally is what you say, but in actuality, does not necessarily have anything to do with revealed truth. Rather it has to do with acceptance of the dogma in power. Anyone who deviates from this is a heretic. Examples: Joan of Arc, John the Baptist, Jesus, Galileo, David, Martin Luther, Francis of Assisi, all of the apostles, and just about every victim of the Inquisition and the Salem witch hunts, and many Christian martyrs, just to start a list.

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: : : give an example of APOSTASY : : apostasy means 'giving up your stance'..... : : I don't know one. But I believe it is possible for it to happen. It would reference someone who knew the Christian revelation and then wholly backing away from it. The reason I cannot say that I know of an example is because I don't know people's hearts. I can only imagine that certain people might have apostasized, but I don't know for sure. : : I don't believe this can happen. I think someone can intellectually assent to the Christian paradigm and then back away, this happens all the time, but true Christianity exists in a relationship between two living people. It is like being born, or dying, or losing one's virginity, once you make the step you can't undo it. So those who claim to have once been Christians, in my mind, never really were in the first place. : : : : give an example of HERESY : : a heresy is a departure from some part of Christian revelation without rejection of the whole. An example of this could be the Nestorian heresy which tried to separate from the Christian revelation the notion that Mary was the Mother of God. Although it was an attempt to protect the uniqueness of Christ, which Nestorians thought could be threatened by his mother, it actually distorted revealed truth since such a belief either dishonors motherhood or misunderstands who Christ was. In Nestorianism either Christ wasn't God, or Mary was not a true mother. Either is at best disrespectful, if not down right diabolical. : : I agree with you here Bill, but have to make one note. Heresy ideally is what you say, but in actuality, does not necessarily have anything to do with revealed truth. Rather it has to do with acceptance of the dogma in power. Anyone who deviates from this is a heretic. Examples: Joan of Arc, John the Baptist, Jesus, Galileo, David, Martin Luther, Francis of Assisi, all of the apostles, and just about every victim of the Inquisition and the Salem witch hunts, and many Christian martyrs, just to start a list.

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