Posted by kat on May 01, 2002 at 20:05:28:
In Reply to: Re: I am answering your post! posted by john on May 01, 2002 at 06:41:30:
: This is fun.
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: Ahh but it is effective. Power rests in the hands of the people. If only 30% are voting then 70% of the people don't believe in the government. It may be able to make laws but ultimately those laws are unenforcable.
You are talking about lawlessness, you dont' really think that is better do you? You have more power now if you are an educated vocal voter, I believe.
Well, if they are making unconstitutional laws I agree the only course of action is to be disobedient but ony after due process has been done. Really nobody is going to meet your criteria for a perfect candidate unless you see yourself runig for office. You mean to tell me there is not one candidate for any office that is at least nominally sufficient that you would vote for them. You really dont' care who becomes Governer of the state you live in? There is usually more than 2 choices. I'd be interested to know if you have ivestigated any of these other people besides Bush and Reno.
:What are they going to do, arrest the greater portion of the populace? Then you have a dictatorship and you set into play a whole other course of events, that will result in drastic reform or revolution. In fact, look at how much time and money is spent trying to get people to vote. If the leadership wasn't worried, they wouldn't care. They only really want us to vote because they hope they can swing our vote their way. Well when I see a candidate worthy of my vote, I'll vote.
I don't think they are worried they are just trying to expand their agenda to the young, all the more reason to find good candidates and back them.
: This brings up another issue. I'm not a militaristic kind of person, but have you ever thought about why the governement is so into gun control? It has nothing ot do with public safety, that is the excuse, because world-wide and time-tested detante is the best public safety, arm everyone then the criminals are so worried about getting their head blown off that they are very reluctant to cross anyone. The real reason is that an armed public has the potential to turn into an armed revolt.
I do agree, and I guess if I was really into the conspiracy thing I would imagine that the powers that be are controlled by people behind the scenes orcestrating everything and using world leaders like puppets. I don't have imaginations that voting is going to change the way things are bound to go in the prophecied future, but I have to be involved in at least my small way, otherwise what kind of legacy do I leave for my children. Who knows when Christ will return, we should live as though it's not for another 2000 years.
: : We just said that only 30% of the people are participating in the system. So what happens if you piss off that other 70% and all of them have weapons? you see this is the sedate through illusion method. Make us think we don't want the right to something, so they come off looking good rather than the dictator method where you force everyone to give it up.
If you vote in people who agree with your right to bear arms then this is not an issue.
I totally understand and even agree, to a certain extent to the survivalist mentality, but not to the point of dropping out of my society and isolating myself I don't believe Christ would have any of us do that.
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: : : Yes yes I agree, however you have three choices, work within the system, work outside the system, do nothing. I don't know I think A is a good choice right now and if that doesn't work then we go to plan B, but I think i am too much of a patriot to just sit by and do nothing (even though you think working in the system is the same as doing nothing ; P )
: : I choose B. As a citizen of heaven I choose to honor no men before God and I mean this literally. It's kind of like why the Catholic church doesn't make statements on political candidates. The laws I'm concerned with are God's laws, and who can argue with those. Love your neighbor as yourself, and love God with all your heart mind and soul. So ultimately I don't care about the earthly political power God is still in control of it all, and I'm working for Him.
What about submitting to authority, isn't that Godly. If the laws are not godly I can understand, but can you then say you were responsible to yourself and your family if you didn't participate in the government you lived under? What will you tell your son when the Dictatorship of America comes knocking on your door to take away your gun? I don't think they are going to care if you voted or not at that point. I think God uses governments and presidents and representatives. I think prayer can bring about change and can turn an election. I think that even though the governments are corrupt there are still good even godly people working in them and we should too. It is seven times better than the devil wants you to believe, that's what i think. I think you can love god with all your mind and heart and soul and serve him in great ways in and through the government, in fact i have no doubt in my mind that God wants his people where they are to work within the systen of government they are living in, to bring change if necessary. The Catholic church doesn't make statements about candidates because they can lose their tax exempt status is they do.
Ugggh, your wearin me out man!