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: : You are talking about lawlessness, you dont' really think that is better do you? You have more power now if you are an educated vocal voter, I believe. : Not lawlessness. I think the problem is that we se things from two totally different angles. I'm not saying anarchy, i'm saying that the current system is full of corruption and promotes abuses of the powerless and those least able to care for themselves. It is a fundamental flaw with the profit motive, and our system is basically this, it is all based on competing self-interests. i think this is wrong and not at all Godly. Sure there are Christians in the government and people who don't see things my way. I'm not saying all of the participants are evil, just that there are better ways. When you've had as much exposure to the blatant abuses of our government as I have, you begin to see that they are no better than any other government in the world, and worse because they try to pretend like they don't do those things. The US is guilty of just as many cover-ups, covert killings, stripping of rights, human rights violations, imperialism, war crimes, and environmental degredation as any other nation. I can name two instances right now where a two men are currently in prison on trumped up charges and being held without possiblity of appeal, even though that is within their legal and constitutional rights. They offended the government and are now paying for it. did you know that the US operated a training center for military dictators? They trained Noriega and countless others because they wanted to have control of those countries. If we trained them then we can stay one step ahead... and keep our squeky image. We are the saviors of the little guy from this bad dictator who is using the very techniques the US MILITARY TAUGHT him. I have freinds who have been there as part of a massive protest against the center. They were forced to leave. Did you know that the US is guilty of a holocost that rivals the Nazis? In fact Hitler patterned his concentration camps after American models! But they don't teach that in public school now do they! This is the perspective I'm coming from. I'm not advocating lawlessness, but when faced with a system that only allows you to participate within boundaries that are predefined and safe to the current regime, the only political option is to not participate. Eventually the new system will develop and uproot the old. It can be entirely peaceful. : : Well, if they are making unconstitutional laws I agree the only course of action is to be disobedient but ony after due process has been done. Really nobody is going to meet your criteria for a perfect candidate unless you see yourself runig for office. You mean to tell me there is not one candidate for any office that is at least nominally sufficient that you would vote for them. You really dont' care who becomes Governer of the state you live in? There is usually more than 2 choices. I'd be interested to know if you have ivestigated any of these other people besides Bush and Reno. : Yes I know about the other choices, most of them I don't agree with either. There may be a candidate somewhere that I might accept, but under the current system any vote for them would be like not voting anyway. Plus this ignores the real root: I refuse to align myself with any political power. : : : I do agree, and I guess if I was really into the conspiracy thing I would imagine that the powers that be are controlled by people behind the scenes orcestrating everything and using world leaders like puppets. I don't have imaginations that voting is going to change the way things are bound to go in the prophecied future, but I have to be involved in at least my small way, otherwise what kind of legacy do I leave for my children. Who knows when Christ will return, we should live as though it's not for another 2000 years. : I don't think it's a conspiracy, just the natural result of a greed based system. Your right about Christ coming, that is why I take this stance. : : : : : I totally understand and even agree, to a certain extent to the survivalist mentality, but not to the point of dropping out of my society and isolating myself I don't believe Christ would have any of us do that. : I'm not dropping out. I'm striving to build a better society right on top of the current one. And i'm not stocking weapons or anything. I don't need them. : : What about submitting to authority, isn't that Godly. If the laws are not godly I can understand, but can you then say you were responsible to yourself and your family if you didn't participate in the government you lived under? : I am submitting. I'm a law abiding citizen with a right not to vote. I choose this option. Civil disobedience is also a right, and a responsibility of any free man, according to Thoreau. : What will you tell your son when the Dictatorship of America comes knocking on your door to take away your gun? : I'll say give him the gun, and pray for him. We are to live at peace with all men, and God will provide for our safety. : I think God uses governments and presidents and representatives.I think prayer can bring about change and can turn an election. I think that even though the governments are corrupt there are still good even godly people working in them : Without a doubt. : and we should too. : Why should we? : It is seven times better than the devil wants you to believe, that's what i think. I think you can love god with all your mind and heart and soul and serve him in great ways in and through the government, in fact i have no doubt in my mind that God wants his people where they are to work within the systen of government they are living in, to bring change if necessary. : I work for the government remember? : The Catholic church doesn't make statements about candidates because they can lose their tax exempt status is they do. : Yes practically speaking, but there is a moral principle at work as well. I'm not going to splay off into the abuses of religious institutions, that's just too much to tackle right now. : : Ugggh, your wearin me out man! : Awww, really? This energizes me, every new response is another set of challenges to respond to. It actually makes me look forward to doing something amidst the daily humdrum grind.

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